Let us have the truth about the closure and this site

[Paul]

When a mod wanted information from a PM I received he had to ask me to forward it to him as he couldn't access the PM systems. Now an admin will be able to access the PMs I suspect but in all fairness I would like to think that they would request permission first. Until we know otherwise I will have to trust them on that.

Hello mods!!! Are u there mods!! SPEAK TO US THE MAIN MODS

All we want is to be told the truth

[Undisputedtruth]

Originally Posted by Alanmelon

I'm sorry, that doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. Perspective is based on little information? I think you'll find that perspective is the ability to see the wider picture, and suggests viewing things with an impartial eye.

Why do you have to take this whole "thing" so seriously. What would honestly be different about your life if this website were to shut down tomorrow?

I tend to disagree with your definition of perspective. Perspective means to put things or object in relation to each other. You can't put things in perspective if you don't have the facts to hand otherwise

So are you suggesting we should not discussed this matter just because your own view is different?

You already admitted you have not posted here long enough and frankly, your input on this thread does not make any sense at all. Some of us have been posting here long before you, so I hope you understand that some people do take the importance of trust and privacy seriously. Perhaps, it is you that failed to see the wider perspective?

[Sociable]

Originally Posted by dieselking

Hello mods!!! Are u there mods!! SPEAK TO US THE MAIN MODS

All we want is to be told the truth

May I add that one point we all have made over the years about NTL's main fault, including those very mods, is that hiding behind a wall of silence or "political" responses only serves to fuel the fires of disbelief.

Please don't emulate the failings of NTL but show us you are better than that.

Note to the rest of you Please don't get tied up in the detail as that is just a distraction that also prevents the truth being able to breath.

All that is needed is a simple response to the very simple questions not the dot.s and commas.

[th'engineer]

Can we not just draw a line under all this, and get on with helping people with problems instead of all this bickering. Lets just get on with it no need for all this you are just developing daft ideas. I personally can not see the point of this.

[Undisputedtruth]

Originally Posted by th'engineer

Can we not just draw a line under all this, and get on with helping people with problems instead of all this bickering. Lets just get on with it no need for all this you are just developing daft ideas. I personally can not see the point of this.

Fine, if you can't see the point of this then stay away. Taking part in this thread is completely voluntary.

I very much doubt, Engineer, whether you read Craig's recent revelations, otherwise you would not of said "developing daft ideas".

Perhaps, if you don't see the point of this, then perhaps you can understand there are matters which some people want to discuss on subjects you don't know anything about.

[Undisputedtruth]

Originally Posted by Drudge

Perhaps this is the case now but on .com there is a well documented case of a mod (who is present on this site) reading a PM of a member.

It was also stated that the later versions of the software stopped this but as in my much earlier life I was a (mainframe) Database Administrator I had access to everything that was on the disc, data, application program, operating system, firmware and all private messages. Who runs this database?

Russ D had already admitted he has read PMs but according to Craig, the reading of PMs by mods is far wider than has been previouly suggested.

Originally Posted by dieselking

Hello mods!!! Are u there mods!! SPEAK TO US THE MAIN MODS

All we want is to be told the truth

I doubt they will say much more until they have spoken to each other to get the stories right. They'd look rather daft if they were contradicting each other

Originally Posted by Undisputedtruth

Russ D had already admitted he has read PMs but according to Craig, the reading of PMs by mods is far wider than has been previouly suggested.

I dont think Craig J can be taken at his word. He was speaking on a board that has grown thanks to him. Just about everyone on there has had a run in with him at some time but it doe's make you wonder yes...

Originally Posted by th'engineer

Can we not just draw a line under all this, and get on with helping people with problems instead of all this bickering. Lets just get on with it no need for all this you are just developing daft ideas. I personally can not see the point of this.

The point of this is to get to the truth because at the moment the mods on here have just disappeared & arenâ₠¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t defending themselves and/or denying the allegations. They could stop all this dissention by giving their side of the story.

[Sociable]

Originally Posted by th'engineer

Can we not just draw a line under all this, and get on with helping people with problems instead of all this bickering. Lets just get on with it no need for all this you are just developing daft ideas. I personally can not see the point of this.

The individuals concerned and particulary Neil are the ones that can do just that th'engineer.

Please read my post at the start of the previous page to see why I personally am persuing this. I went out on a limb posting what did only to find this trust I placed in everyone may have been being abused by the sadest of all lies.

I'm not saying I was just that it appears I may have been.

EDIT: To reiterate my earlier point:

Originally Posted by Sociable

Yes Craig has created a "Have you stopped beating your wife?" proposition but the response "I didn't stop because I never started" response is possible. Relying on every single dot and comma not being 100% accurate does not, however justify such a response.

Just to point out one undeniable "Fact". Craig has clearly nailed his own reputation to the mast on this issue should it later be established it was all nonsense his reputation will be forever tarnished.

Anyone else not willing to expose themseleves to the same risk should IMHO be very careful how they post on this issue as one way or another there is going to be a lot of egg on faces at the end of this saga.

[Maggy J]

Originally Posted by erol

And IF this site is being run by liers and cheats, that were / are taking money from NTL for having run / destroyed .com, who will even use the sad death of a friend ot theirs to try and manipulate the users here, then I think it entirely relevant and in proportion that they be exposed. I also do not see how you can ever expect a site run by such people (if the allegations are true) to ever put any effective pressure on NTL.



I am trying to establish if the moderators here are worthy of respect or contempt, so that I can decide whether to stay here or not.




Which is why trust is so important.



I am here for the truth I am afraid, because no matter how hard it may or may not be to get at the truth, here on the net, or anywhere else, the truth IS important.

Fine then don't be a member here.But I,after seeing how you behaved at .com am wondering who was responsible for getting .com closed?It was in the interest of the .com mods to keep it open if they were making such vast sums of money from NTL.

Incog.

[Undisputedtruth]

Originally Posted by dieselking

The point of this is to get to the truth because at the moment the mods on here have just disappeared & arenâ₠¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t defending themselves and/or denying the allegations. They could stop all this dissention by giving their side of the story.

Besides, this is better than Eastenders.

[Sociable]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Fine then don't be a member here.But I,after seeing how you behaved at .com am wondering who was responsible for getting .com closed?It was in the interest of the .com mods to keep it open if they were making such vast sums of money from NTL.

Incog.

But would explain the suspension of the forum if the current alegation is proved correct. Dont forget it wasn't Neil & Co that suspended the forum but NTL.

Thus far they have not confirmed why they did it but I seriously doubt it was over erol as he was already suspened as was Craig.

I also note with interest you didn't care to respond to my posts Incog care to do so now?

[number34]

Originally Posted by Undisputedtruth

Besides, this is better than Eastenders.

For once find myself agreeing with UDT
But can someone help me with the plot? Where/what thread should I read first to get the background, and is there anything on ntlhell.co.uk that can help?
(am I allowed to mention that?)