Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.

[ginge51]

Broadband industry leaders are to meet ministers to discuss how to stop the UK dropping into the internet "slow lane".

More than half of all UK homes now have a broadband connection, at an average speed of four megabits a second (Mbps).

But the broadband summit will hear other countries are moving more quickly to build ultra-fast networks that can deliver speeds of as much as 100 Mbps.

Ministers say ultra-fast broadband will be a key to helping UK businesses "innovate, grow and create wealth".

Average speed

"We need to be discussing how we can put this new network into place, because delay could be a barrier to the future success of our economy," said Stephen Timms, minister for competitiveness.

The broadband summit will discuss how industry, government and regulators can make sure Britain gets the next-generation network that will be needed as services like internet video take off.

Copper lines

BT - Britain's biggest broadband provider - has already warned that it may struggle to pay for an ultra-fast network.

But cable company Virgin says it will deliver 50 Mbps broadband by the end of next year - more than twice the maximum speed it currently offers.

Virgin's 50 Mbps service will be available to more than 70% of the 12.5m homes its cable network covers by the end of 2008, the firm said.

The company is not digging up streets or laying new fibre to homes, but is installing new equipment at the hubs and bundling together spare channels on the line.

Most of Britain's broadband access is delivered through existing copper telephone lines, which were never designed to deliver ultra-fast broadband.

BT is due to roll out ADSL2+ in the coming years but speeds will be limited to a maximum of 24 Mbps.

In the US, companies such as Verizon have invested billions of dollars in fibre to the home, providing hundreds of video channels and high-speed broadband.

BT is investing £10bn in speeding up the existing network, which includes some fibre, and will be able to deliver download speeds of 24 Mbps by 2011.

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Ontopic.

What is the point of 50 mb lines?
Imagine the cap we'd get from them probably every1 from 4 pm till 12 am will be put back to 3 mbs

[darthlinux]

and a transfer to DOCSIS 3.0

I'm suprised this has taken so long to appear, the announcement was early yesterday

[TimIgoe]

DOCSIS3 will aid with all the problems that exist on the network won't they? Reduce the possible clone modem problem for a start. Mean they can use the available bandwidth more optimally etc.

[darthlinux]

and handle higher upload speeds I think 50Mb should have atleast 10Mb but vm will only be it 1.5Mb which is crap but better than 768k

[Gavin]

Originally Posted by ginge51

But cable company Virgin says it will deliver 50 Mbps broadband by the end of next year*

*That will be per UBR, of course.

[TraxData]

Originally Posted by darthlinux

and handle higher upload speeds I think 50Mb should have atleast 10Mb but vm will only be it 1.5Mb which is crap but better than 768k

Lol your wrong on the upload, but lets not go there

---------- Post added at 14:11 ---------- Previous post was at 14:10 ----------

Originally Posted by ginge51

What is the point of 50 mb lines?
Imagine the cap we'd get from them probably every1 from 4 pm till 12 am will be put back to 3 mbs

There is no cap/STM on 50mbit, nor will there be.

[darthlinux]

well TD I was going from a posts on here so wahts the upload?

[Callumpy]

they cant do 8meg, nevermind 50!

[darthlinux]

read about DOCSIS 3.0 this will help the network sooo much ask TD he knows alot

[TimIgoe]

Read a bit I found on Wikipedia - would be interesting to know more bout how it all works... i'm very much the sort of person that wants to pull stuff apart to see what goes on

[popper]

Quote:
Originally Posted by darthlinux
and handle higher upload speeds I think 50Mb should have atleast 10Mb but vm will only be it 1.5Mb which is crap but better than 768k

Originally Posted by TraxData

Lol your wrong on the upload, but lets not go there

hmm so were are you getting this from URL please?.

lets see, the (pre,Euro)Docsis3 has a Max 150Mbit downstream and a Max 120Mbit upstream according to official spec.

and 'Orange' "I'm the network architect within the Virgin Media trials team. We're moving the 50 Mbps pilot on to the next stage in Ashford, we're calling rather imaginatively, Phase 2!"

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...=popper+50mbit

after i asked him to explain the reasoning behind setting the UK's worst upload ratio and knowing what the real end users wanted etc,from the trial and after that, he said "I intend to poll our trialists to see what the demand is for a higher upstream. Thanks for all the feedback, I'm reading it all and what I'm able to act on, I will."

as regards the current officially stated 1.5Mbit upload rates for the 50Mbit/s package, it has not been changed as far as anyone knows so far, and Orange hasnt done more than perhaps hint that it may change IF many current trialists realise the benefits of a far better upload rate and ask for it

18-09-2007, 17:44
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...5&postcount=36
"Orange:there is a lot of logic behind the numbers we're using for this pilot. The DOCSIS protocol chops up the available bandwidth (RF spectrum) by giving most of what's available to the downstream (which makes sense!). The ratio we're using in Ashford, Folkestone and Dover is what we've found to work well for most people and makes good use of that spectrum.

We also work very closely with our trialists to see what their demands are, and that helps us create a ratio that the vast majority of people are happy with. But it is a pilot, so if we find trialists want more upstream, then we'll work with them to find a more suitable ratio. "

i just bumped the thread there to see if he wil update the official information as regards the polled response etc.

are you trying to say that you have some updated info from Orange the network architect within the Virgin Media trials team ? or one of his team that ran the customer trialist poll.

[TraxData]

Originally Posted by popper

-snip-

I've seen the new configs, 1.5mbit upload is temporary, its going to be a higher, thats all i can say on that point.

And that was at the beginning of the trials, it was soon realized users needed more bandwith, and infact 1.5mbit is only just enough to cover overheads with 50mbit, something for you to think about

As for my source, id get in trouble if i gave that out! but it is a certain someone in control of the trials.

And you need to realise you can already get 2.5mbit up on ADSL+2 with Be which already has large coverage and is making VM lose customers.

Making it lower than that, would be suicide.

Customers have always asked for higher upload speeds.

[TimIgoe]

Originally Posted by popper

lets see, the (pre,Euro)Docsis3 has a Max 150Mbit downstream and a Max 120Mbit upstream according to official spec.

While its not 'gospel' by any way, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docsis#Speed_Table shows EuroDOCSIS 3 capable of 200Mb down and 100Mb up.

[jtwn]

Originally Posted by TraxData

I've seen the new configs, 1.5mbit upload is temporary, its going to be a higher, thats all i can say on that point.

And that was at the beginning of the trials, it was soon realized users needed more bandwith, and infact 1.5mbit is only just enough to cover overheads with 50mbit, something for you to think about

As for my source, id get in trouble if i gave that out! but it is a certain someone in control of the trials.

And you need to realise you can already get 2.5mbit up on ADSL+2 with Be which already has large coverage and is making VM lose customers.

Making it lower than that, would be suicide.

Customers have always asked for higher upload speeds.

Suuuuuure.