Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year.

[TraxData]

Considering the rumour going around that they are in talks about implementing STM on 50mbit, i wouldnt go getting very excited.

[slowcoach]

I can see some 50Meg customers getting the boot.

[TimIgoe]

Originally Posted by TraxData

Considering the rumour going around that they are in talks about implementing STM on 50mbit, i wouldnt go getting very excited.

Thats not great, but imo MOST users won't be bothered by it, its only seriously heavy 24/7 downloaders (who are, on the whole, pirates) that are likely to run into that

Theres only so much legal stuff you could need during peak times, the rest can wait

[TraxData]

Originally Posted by TimIgoe

Thats not great, but imo MOST users won't be bothered by it, its only seriously heavy 24/7 downloaders (who are, on the whole, pirates) that are likely to run into that

Theres only so much legal stuff you could need during peak times, the rest can wait

Yea, but the limit is staying at 3gb for 50mbit, so you can use it for a full 5 minutes before you get stm'd, boy oh boy exciting aint it.

ANY STM on 50mbit is utterly stupid, hardly paving the way for fast broadband if your not allowed to use it.

If you cant use it, then really, there is absolutely no point what so EVER in having it.

Only good thing is the upload (which will be set at 5mbit at release, apparently) but then you get stm'd on that as well.

Makes it a rather useless product.

[ahardie]

Originally Posted by TraxData

Yea, but the limit is staying at 3gb for 50mbit, so you can use it for a full 5 minutes before you get stm'd, boy oh boy exciting aint it.

ANY STM on 50mbit is utterly stupid, hardly paving the way for fast broadband if your not allowed to use it.

If you cant use it, then really, there is absolutely no point what so EVER in having it.

Only good thing is the upload (which will be set at 5mbit at release, apparently) but then you get stm'd on that as well.

Makes it a rather useless product.

Which would suggest that this rumour, like a lot of others has no foundation. Why bother to invest in a product that nobody is going to be interested in?

[lostandconfused]

I love the way on this forum, that a rumour is discussed, then a few posts later it becomes a fact, then its an outrage, then everyone should cancel their services etc.

STM on the 50mb is a rumour, I doubt VM have even set a price for the service, its still in testing. I think its a bit early to judge a service until its actually launched and you have tried it...

[Neptune]

The fact that HD tv will be streamed through the 50mb service makes it unlikely that 50mb would be stm'd.

VM will sell 50mb for a premium price and offering hd channels (we know of at least one confirmed hd channel so far - Voom) is the sweetener to sell the vm service. No point watching hd on this service at 8pm, if, all of a sudden, the speed is cut.

I don't think anything is set in stone with regards to the 50mb service, apart from a rough rollout schedule. (Which, in itself, is dependent on the supply of docsis 3 modems.) What speed and for what price and what extras you get get, will be finalised much closer to the first full rollout.

[pooper]

Originally Posted by Neptune

The fact that HD tv will be streamed through the 50mb service makes it unlikely that 50mb would be stm'd.

Surely that would be a ready why it would be STM'd ?

They have to make sure that if they're going to provide streaming TV services, it's not rendered useless due to network congestion... therefore surely STM would make sense?

Anyway i'm assuming they can differentiate between internet + streaming TV data, and therefore not count the TV 'data' as part of your limit?

Pure guesswork really.. but it would make sense from what i can see.

[Richy99]

is the streaming going to stem from the VM internal network or external sources?

[TimIgoe]

VM Internal

[sollp]

Originally Posted by lostandconfused

I love the way on this forum, that a rumour is discussed, then a few posts later it becomes a fact, then its an outrage, then everyone should cancel their services etc.

STM on the 50mb is a rumour, I doubt VM have even set a price for the service, its still in testing. I think its a bit early to judge a service until its actually launched and you have tried it...

I've said this about alot of topics on the forum and the way they progress.

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Originally Posted by pooper

Surely that would be a ready why it would be STM'd ?

They have to make sure that if they're going to provide streaming TV services, it's not rendered useless due to network congestion... therefore surely STM would make sense?

Anyway i'm assuming they can differentiate between internet + streaming TV data, and therefore not count the TV 'data' as part of your limit?

Pure guesswork really.. but it would make sense from what i can see.

At the moment the VOD and digital muxes are sent on differing frequencies to the modem D/S. So the D/S for the cable modems wouldn't be affected by this. When the analogue frequencies are removed there will be bags of space to do even more with, and also there will better ways of using the bandwidth to send the Digital/HD content to the customers STB like Switched Digital Video,(SDV) and many others.

E.G http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switched_vide

[weesteev]

The new 50mb service with pre DOCSIS 3 equipment should be with us soon (hopefully). I cant see Virgin offering free swaps but a chargeable install (standard £30 at the moment) will probably apply.

Like a "digital migration" (from analogue TV) a technician is required to make the swap over, I can see the same happening for this service. Its a channel bonding modem not just a straight up cable modem so a technician will be required for the initial setup and to make sure that the signal levels at the tap are fine.

Eventually, self installs will be offered, the same way that V+ installs are handled now (they will be quickstart soon to).

(remember none of this is confirmed, im just speculating!)

Roll on 50mb!

[TraxData]

Originally Posted by lostandconfused

I love the way on this forum, that a rumour is discussed, then a few posts later it becomes a fact, then its an outrage, then everyone should cancel their services etc.

STM on the 50mb is a rumour, I doubt VM have even set a price for the service, its still in testing. I think its a bit early to judge a service until its actually launched and you have tried it...

I think you should note, it was a rumour about STM ever being implemented, something i said was going to happen, like it or not. i was right.

I also exposed the rumour about STM upload trials being run, and alas, i was right, now we're limited on upload as well as download.

Not everyone on here just randomly spreads rumours.

Mine are NOT rumours, the network planning dept @ VM are currently running STM trials on 50mbit, with the same STM limits as 20mbit.

And you know for a fact if they run trials, there is a 80/20 chance its gonna happen.

[sollp]

Originally Posted by weesteev

The new 50mb service with pre DOCSIS 3 equipment should be with us soon (hopefully). I cant see Virgin offering free swaps but a chargeable install (standard £30 at the moment) will probably apply.

Like a "digital migration" (from analogue TV) a technician is required to make the swap over, I can see the same happening for this service. Its a channel bonding modem not just a straight up cable modem so a technician will be required for the initial setup and to make sure that the signal levels at the tap are fine.

Eventually, self installs will be offered, the same way that V+ installs are handled now (they will be quickstart soon to).

(remember none of this is confirmed, im just speculating!)

Roll on 50mb!

Self installs utter madness, again a way of chucking a product out and not thinking about the poor quality of service this will bring. Or is it a case of the numbers game, you'll be able to get more people installed this way, so this will outway the cost of installing them properly.

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Originally Posted by TraxData

I think you should note, it was a rumour about STM ever being implemented, something i said was going to happen, like it or not. i was right.

I also exposed the rumour about STM upload trials being run, and alas, i was right, now we're limited on upload as well as download.

Not everyone on here just randomly spreads rumours.

Mine are NOT rumours, the network planning dept @ VM are currently running STM trials on 50mbit, with the same STM limits as 20mbit.

And you know for a fact if they run trials, there is a 80/20 chance its gonna happen.

Well done, at least thats one rumour that came true!! No one was pointing the finger at you personally, just a general observation, don't worry i'll send you a card for christmas!!

[Daffy Duck]

Originally Posted by TraxData

I think you should note, it was a rumour about STM ever being implemented, something i said was going to happen, like it or not. i was right.

I also exposed the rumour about STM upload trials being run, and alas, i was right, now we're limited on upload as well as download.

Not everyone on here just randomly spreads rumours.

Mine are NOT rumours, the network planning dept @ VM are currently running STM trials on 50mbit, with the same STM limits as 20mbit.

And you know for a fact if they run trials, there is a 80/20 chance its gonna happen.

You also said this on the 27th of Nov

"There is no cap/STM on 50mbit, nor will there be."

Not having a go,but if that's changed in a matter of weeks then it's also possible that it may change yet again.