Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year. - Page 2

TimIgoe · 28-11-2007, 18:19

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Originally Posted by TraxData

And you need to realise you can already get 2.5mbit up on ADSL+2 with Be which already has large coverage and is making VM lose customers.

2.5Mb down interferes with the downstream slightly more than the standard 1.2Mb they offer. Its ANNEX M iirc which isnt' supported by quite a few consumer DSL modems currently either. I know they provide one, but its not great.

Honestly who needs MASSES of upload?
a) torrenters
b) web developers
c) those uploading movies / images

TraxData · 28-11-2007, 18:22

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Originally Posted by TimIgoe

2.5Mb down interferes with the downstream slightly more than the standard 1.2Mb they offer. Its ANNEX M iirc which isnt' supported by quite a few consumer DSL modems currently either. I know they provide one, but its not great.

Honestly who needs MASSES of upload?
a) torrenters
b) web developers
c) those uploading movies / images

Lets see, VM are moving towards online p2p video streaming, that requires a far higher upload than 1.5mbit.

Put it this way, if you decide to download something maxing your speed out, you will require 1.2mbit of upload, that leaves you with 200kbit to browse, upload etc, its an unfair ratio, and would officially be the worst in the UK.

People need to stop living in the past, demos weigh in at 3gb these days, HD can weigh in at 30gig, this is the digital future.

TimIgoe · 28-11-2007, 18:26

They are? I thought vod through the STB worked differently and they were trying some form of IPTV for 'off net' users (but that had been shelved for a bit to concentrate on the cable network)

I'm not saying its good by any stretch, but if i had a choice of slow upload / good down or 'ok down, good up' i know what i'd rather

TraxData · 28-11-2007, 18:30

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Originally Posted by TimIgoe

They are? I thought vod through the STB worked differently and they were trying some form of IPTV for 'off net' users (but that had been shelved for a bit to concentrate on the cable network)

I'm not saying its good by any stretch, but if i had a choice of slow upload / good down or 'ok down, good up' i know what i'd rather

They are moving to IPTV (which will again, require faster upload than 1.5mbit)

Amongst many other online streaming, along with HD streams.

Alright saying 1.5mbit is enough, it was enough 5 years ago as well.

But times have moved on since then, files are alot bigger, and being able to download a 4gig file in say 10 minutes, but taking 12 hours to upload a 4gb file is not fun, and when they do p2p streaming, people wont stop on to seed such a thing.

P.S You'd be suprised how many people are willing to sacrafice download speed for higher upload, loads of people have on Be and Be are serious competition for VM.

TimIgoe · 28-11-2007, 18:32

If they are moving to P2P for all 'on demand' services, fair enough I can see why more upload might help (assuming STM goes - i don't like the idea of someone watching something i've got ondemand killing my quota).

popper · 28-11-2007, 18:36

well when you say 'YOU' i assume you mean the less tech user,and not me, as i 'v already stated all of the above both here and elsewere for a long time now.

better than Be*s best upload rate required.

the minimum of 1.3Mbit upload rate required to get somewere near the full consistant speed out of the 50Mbit/s download BEFORE even taking into consideration of your other multasking web apps running alongside etc.

dual IPv4 and IPv6 put inplace on the Docsis3 trials and reactived/made active on all the routers and related attached kit, so as to ease near term multicasting all the way to the VM end users and back, and improve future profit margins and real innovation from the end users/coders apps etc.

seen the new trial modem configs ?, as in you live in one of the trial area's and have been passing the time tracing the internal VM network looking for and found the new modem configs that are on the VM network and available to the trialists (pre)Docsis3 kit....

many more simple things planed for, and indeed put in place now, can save vast amounts of cash and trouble later for all partys....

TraxData · 28-11-2007, 18:44

No, i actually have had a look at the configs, as i said, used to work in network planning, know people in that department, and had to do offline/testing beforehand.

Yes you need at least 1.3mbit upload just to get 50mbit down, so if you download something, max your connection out your left with less than 200kbit upload for anything else you want to do

That's an extremely bad ratio.

TimIgoe · 28-11-2007, 18:49

If your maxing your download... you won't be able to upload masses more anyway as it needs downsteam to upload (same as downloading needs upload)

TraxData · 28-11-2007, 18:51

I know that, im just saying leaving the ratio THAT bad will pretty much make the net inaccessible if you decide to max your downstream out, not enough to send the packets.

We found this out at the beginning of the trials.

Saying it works best with upload set at 1.5mbit is a load of FUD.

If they do indeed decide to ditch the high upload and swap to 1.5mbit, then they are losing me as a customer and as a slave worker

UnReaL · 28-11-2007, 19:23

I wonder how Virgin Media will handle users that go over the download limit during peak hours?

Downgraded to 5mb, between 4pm - 12am?

Anyways since I get full speed all the time, bring on 50mb!

Mr Angry · 28-11-2007, 20:48

TraxData, what colour will the 50mb be?

foreverwar · 28-11-2007, 21:10

You're beginning to obsess now, aren't you?

Colour isn't important, it's the taste that counts.

TraxData · 29-11-2007, 00:06

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry

TraxData, what colour will the 50mb be?

Brown, and looking like a....

dev · 29-11-2007, 00:52

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Originally Posted by TraxData

There is no cap/STM on 50mbit, nor will there be.

is that 'no' meant to be there?

i'll have to record this day as the first time i've seen you say something positive about VM

seeing as you do know your stuff, seeing as 50mbit needs docsis3, would that require a modem swap for *everyone* or just those going onto the 50mbit service? and what would the clone status be like with docsis3? (any changes or just business as usual)

TraxData · 29-11-2007, 01:34

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Originally Posted by dev

is that 'no' meant to be there?

i'll have to record this day as the first time i've seen you say something positive about VM

seeing as you do know your stuff, seeing as 50mbit needs docsis3, would that require a modem swap for *everyone* or just those going onto the 50mbit service? and what would the clone status be like with docsis3? (any changes or just business as usual)

Just those going onto 50mbit will need a new modem.

Docsis3 will be set on a different frequency, so wont affect lower tiers.

Will actually release stress from the current network.

Clone status = zero on docsis3, their days are nearly over