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Old 01-07-2007, 21:09   #16
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Re: Buyout firms set their eye on Virgin Media

Someone should have seen this coming. If Richard Branson is unhappy about "VM's performance" then why hasn't he as the "company's figurehead" done something to stabilize the situation?

I find it difficult to comprehend, that as someone who's been in business so long could have allowed the organisation to slide into (what looks like) decline, to the point where it could have (very easily) been taken over.

I bet Murdoch's having a field day with this news. In any respect, I would hate as myself and (no doubt) many others (as loyal VM customers), to be put into a position where a bunch of asset stripping hyenas were to take over the company - bad news indeed..!

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Re: Buyout firms set their eye on Virgin Media

Trouble is i can't see what they can asset strip, then again there always is something. The NTL side was stripped bair before the merger Telewest didn't have the same pressures before the merger as i can tell working with ex Telewest employees, that working for Telewest was,(from what i have seen) a different story. The whole attitude from ex Telewest was a different one from NTL. Now i say this, not as a criticism but as a remark on what i have seen from the different attitudes of working.

There are still efficiences to be made throughout the company without the intervention of private equity companies. Basically it's the management and directorship and investment that is at fault. Now as a worker we are always going to moan about the decision makers but i truly believe that these people do not really have the understanding of running the company properly. They are forever changing departments around merging with others different director ect so no changes really get the chance to evolve or work.

How Virginmedia is going to be operating over the coming year and what will be sold off/broke up i don't know, but nothing will surprise me, but what another buyout from a private equity company is going to give or take that will improve it is beyond me as i can't see it's going to improve it for a few years to come.
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Anyone mentioned the Switch Tech's going over to BT Wholesale?

Just the start i imagine of them getting rid of certain parts of the company.

They'll be getting rid of the headend Tech's to Sky next
Yes, I heard that one, BT Wholesale will operate & maintain all the telco switches from 1st Oct, 190 staff will transfer to BT.
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Yes, I heard that one, BT Wholesale will operate & maintain all the telco switches from 1st Oct, 190 staff will transfer to BT.
Now that was a bolt out of the blue when i heard on Friday. How that works, and how giving it to a competitor works?????
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Now that was a bolt out of the blue when i heard on Friday. How that works, and how giving it to a competitor works?????

It's only a maintenance contract, VM want to concentrate on developing VOIP services and not be burdened with legacy TDM equipment which is rapidly coming to the end of its serviceable life in many cases. Also enables them to get rid of a lot of staff at the same time!
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It's only a maintenance contract, VM want to concentrate on developing VOIP services and not be burdened with legacy TDM equipment which is rapidly coming to the end of its serviceable life in many cases. Also enables them to get rid of a lot of staff at the same time!
Yes i know that, but to give it to BT? Either a brave or stupid decision.
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Yes i know that, but to give it to BT? Either a brave or stupid decision.
The reason that was given is that the Telco equipment suppliers are reluctant to keep on supporting old TDM switches, BT have the resources & experience to offer a better level of support as they never relied on manufacturer support to the same extent as Ntl/Telewest did. There was a similar proposal by Ntl to outsource it to Marconi or Nortel about 3 years ago. I think they regard that part of the network as becoming an expensive millstone.
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Re: Buyout firms set their eye on Virgin Media

Fascinating stuff..as a mere punter, I fail to see how BT is a bad thing, I've had a line with them for the last 30 years and it never went down.
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Fascinating stuff..as a mere punter, I fail to see how BT is a bad thing, I've had a line with them for the last 30 years and it never went down.
I suppose some will see it as a conflict of interests but I expect there will be tough targets to meet and penalties set if they don't deliver, can't be any worse!
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Re: Buyout firms set their eye on Virgin Media

I would like to make a further comment concerning this ' could be buy out ', when a company goes into purchasing a company, all they think about is how much money they can make out of the customer, it has nothing to do with TW/NTL, obviously NTL want to make there money, as they took over TW, so they will want that back, the one thing that WILL benefit the customer, if, like in USA, they consider the customer highly, and there are over 500 channels to choose from (depending on the state), and they don't have greedy Sky to fight with - its all about money.
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Re: Buyout firms set their eye on Virgin Media

Horace if you actually check whenever a private equity company announces they have a company in sight there is a short term increase in the share value with it then dipping as certain shareholders get nervous about what their shares will be worth in the event of asset stripping that is routinely done by private equity groups. Private equity purchases rarely give the consumer a better deal i am not going to bore anyone with examples a couple have alredy been cited and others can be easily found.
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Re: Buyout firms set their eye on Virgin Media

A Yank takeover is what this company needs.

The US number one supplier of TV and Broadband is Cable, so they would have more expertise than anyone in the world, especially in VM.

They need to import some techniques from the USA to free up Bandwidth and so on, and offer more stuff.

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Horace if you actually check whenever a private equity company announces they have a company in sight there is a short term increase in the share value with it then dipping as certain shareholders get nervous about what their shares will be worth in the event of asset stripping that is routinely done by private equity groups. Private equity purchases rarely give the consumer a better deal i am not going to bore anyone with examples a couple have alredy been cited and others can be easily found.
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Re: Buyout firms set their eye on Virgin Media

im suprised no one posted this followup, so here it is.

also, people seem to be forgetting branson has a massive long time obsession with TV, so it seems he will keep some shares back/swap, and not forgetting he's got a lot invested in his Virgin brand with this one, and would, i think, have hopes to take the lead from US based burch and Co.

after all, you would think at least branson knows the score with the UK markets far better than the current US based board and upper management for a long time now, perhaps any takeover collective would pay branson more money to take a far more involved position in the boardroom.... perhaps even run it in some way?

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle2013297.ece
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From The Times
July 1, 2007


Branson response paves way for $10bn buyout of Virgin Media

Elizabeth Judge, Telecoms Correspondent

Sir Richard Branson, Virgin Media’s biggest shareholder, is open to a buyout of the cable group, paving the way for a potential deal at $10 billion (£4.9 billion) or more.

As The Times revealed on Saturday, Carlyle, the private equity group, is circling the television and telecoms group. The interest has kicked off an auction process in which Sir Richard, whose Virgin Group holds 10.5 per cent of the $8 billion Virgin Media, will play a critical role.

City sources said that Sir Richard was willing to weigh up any offer.

It is believed that potentially he could seek to roll over some of his stake into a new entity. It is not clear at this stage what size of stake the billionaire entrepreneur would retain. Virgin Group declined to comment yesterday.

The latest negotiations for the communications group — whose turbulent history included a life-saving restructuring in 2002 — are believed to centre on a price above the $30 per share that was informally pitched to Virgin Media by a consortium of private equity players last year. A $30-a-share bid equates to an equity value of about $10 billion.

That previous approach, by players including Providence Equity Partners, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts and Cinven, failed to result in a deal because of opposition from key shareholders in Virgin Media, including Bill Huff, the influential New Jersey hedge fund owner. Today Mr Huff is far lower down the group’s share register, with only 4.9 per cent.

In addition, a key Huff ally, William Connors, who used to work with him in his hedge-fund business, recently stepped down from the cable group’s board after claims that Mr Huff had too much influence.

The latest takeover attempt comes after disappointment that the merger last year of NTL:Telewest and Virgin Mobile has failed to create the formidable force in home entertainment that had been hoped for. Since the deal the group has struggled to show the benefits and its Nasdaq-listed shares closed on Friday at $24.37.

Despite a £25 million branding campaign featuring the Hollywood actress Uma Thurman, the group lost nearly 47,000 customers in the first quarter of this year and became embroiled in a protracted legal dispute with BSkyB, in which News Corporation, the parent company of The Times, has a 39.1 per cent stake.

The continued failure to fulfil its perceived potential has put pressure on Stephen Burch, Virgin Media’s chief executive. "...

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A Yank takeover is what this company needs.

The US number one supplier of TV and Broadband is Cable, so they would have more expertise than anyone in the world, especially in VM.

They need to import some techniques from the USA to free up Bandwidth and so on, and offer more stuff.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm...chester_United
to all intents and purposes, it already is a yank run company, a long distance one at that, as the current US based VM board dont ever come here for any general board/invester meetings....

its also one of the key reasons why they are currently investing in effect, dead money, into the current VM V+ Mpeg2/liberate only STBs from the US old boys club and contracts, were everyone else in the EU (and indeed most of the world now)are investing in combined Mpeg2/AVC Wireless IP STB's, and current/future expandable middleware.

you also seem to be under the impression that the current US cable operators are in some way using better hardware?, thats a miss-understanding perhaps..., as its clear after reading several US based threads around, that much of the current US cable are at best using even older Docsis1.0 , not even 1.1 as current VM do, never mind 2.0 or the newest 3.0.

theres also a MASSIVE difference between man U and VM, VM are in in hole, MUFC was not and infact have masses of cashflow.

still Carlyle etc have many profitable businesses so VM is still a good buy for them as they can just offset their income tax bills against the VM losses and end up paying far less tax overall..... never under estimate or forget that part of any takeover along side the asset stripping everyone seems to be focusing on at the minute.

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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/be3d86ca-283...b5df10621.html
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Virgin Media board considers going private

By Andrew Edgecliffe-Johnsonin London
Published: July 2 2007 03:00 | Last updated: July 2 2007 03:00


The board of Virgin Media is considering taking the UK cable company private, after an approach from Carlyle Group raised the prospect of a $10bn sale, less than a year after another private equity approach was rebuffed.

The change of attitude comes after a bruising battle for customers in the UK's highly competitive pay-TV, broadband and telephony markets coincided with changes in the shareholder base, which could make a bid more likely to succeed now than last year.


Sir Richard Branson's Virgin Group, which owns 10.5 per cent of the shares, is said to be "supportive" of a sale to private equity, after negotiating a "collar and cuff" arrangement last month.

This deal allowed the group to borrow about $225m against its holding in exchange for an agreement to pay Credit Suisse a share of the gains if the stock rises above $31.98.

Any bidder would have to buy out or work in partnership with Virgin Group, which has a 30-year exclusive branding agreement, with a 10-year opt-out clause, for use of the Virgin name.

Both Virgin Media and Virgin Group declined to comment.

Bill Huff, the distressed debt investor who was seen to have stood in the way of an approach last year by Providence Equity Partners, Blackstone Group, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts and Cinven, has been reducing his stake, and his board representation is no longer seen as a likely obstacle.

W.R. Huff Asset Management is still Virgin Media's fourth largest shareholder but has seen its shareholding drop to 4.9 per cent from about 6.7 per cent a year ago.

Providence is also understood to be considering a new bid for the company. Virgin Media, chaired by Jim Mooney, is understood to have instructed Goldman Sachs to examine whether to take the company private after its much-publicised battles with British Sky Broadcasting, its satellite rival, and declining market share in the first quarter weighed on its share price."...
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Re: Buyout firms set their eye on Virgin Media

It's got to the BBC now:

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Carlyle, one of the world's leading private equity groups, has made a preliminary offer of between $33 (£16.50) to $35 per share for Virgin.
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It's got to the BBC now:

The Virgin Media name is already tarnished, re-branding is long overdue.

"Carlyle Media"

or as as I said before


Providence Media Technologies or

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